In this episode of The Becky Beach Show, Becky chats with author, coach, and hypnotherapist Michelle Walters about how hypnotherapy can help business owners overcome stress, procrastination, and self-doubt. Michelle shares her journey into hypnotherapy, explains how it works like “meditation with a goal,” and introduces her new app MakeMyHypno.com, which creates personalized self-hypnosis recordings. Tune in to learn how reprogramming your subconscious can boost focus, confidence, and success in business and life.

Resources & Links:

• Michelle Walters’ website: MichelleWalters.net
• Create your personalized self-hypnosis audio: MakeMyHypno.com

About Michelle Walters:

Michelle Walters is a Business Coach and clinical hypnotherapist based in Pleasant Hill, CA. With a background spanning decision analytics, business strategy, and digital marketing, she now supports clients in overcoming blocks—like anxiety, self-limiting beliefs, and hesitation—through hypnotherapy and coaching. Certified by the American Council of Hypnotist Examiners and trained under John Maxwell, Michelle offers in-person and online services, including custom hypnosis recordings and speaking engagements. She also hosts the podcast Mind Power Meets Mystic, where she blends curiosity and insight to explore consciousness, purpose, and growth

AI Generated Transcript:

Becky Beach: Hey everybody. Welcome to the Becky Beach Show! I’m Becky Beach, and in today’s episode we have Michelle Waters. She’s the author of ABC Conscious Leadership. Welcome, Michelle.

Michelle Walters: Hi. Thanks, Becky. I’m happy to be here with you today. It’s so nice to see you again.

Becky Beach: Oh, you too. Michelle is a speaker, author, business coach, and hypnotherapist.

Michelle Walters: That’s right. That’s me.

Becky Beach: So tell us how you got started with hypnotherapy, Michelle.

Michelle Walters: I think I’ve always been fascinated about the power of the mind and realizing just how necessary it is to take control of your thoughts. And [00:01:00] this kind of showed up in my early career with, well, early, a good part of my career.

Michelle Walters: I worked in digital marketing and I loved thinking about how to be creative and how to be persuasive and how to. You know, get people to be interested in your message and try things. And then somewhere along the way, I had a favorite author, uh, she’s Australian, her name’s Leanne Moriarty. She wrote, she wrote a number of books.

Michelle Walters: She wrote a book called. The hypnotist love story, and I read this novel and I thought, oh my gosh, this lady has the coolest job. I wanna do that. And so I googled it and I found a school that offered hypnotherapy classes on the weekend, and then I just fell in love with the training and wound up doing the whole course.

Michelle Walters: During COVID, my life kind of completely shifted, like a lot of people’s lives shifted and the door to change gears and do something a little different opened up and I was like, well, if I’m [00:02:00] ever gonna do this, this is the time, right? It is the time. People change careers. And so I hung up a shingle, so to speak, and started seeing clients for hypnotherapy.

Michelle Walters: It’s just, that’s awesome. Amazing to me how much can be done with, with hypnotherapy in terms of solving so many different problems. And I still do some services in marketing, but now a huge amount of my time and effort is really put on helping individuals and sometimes organizations, um, with the skills I’ve learned in, in training as a hypnotherapist.

Becky Beach: Well, what kind of problems do these people that, uh, these problems these people have that need hypnotherapy?

Michelle Walters: All kinds of problems. Um, I’ve seen a number of clients because they’re, they’re dealing with something at work, um, which is really an area that I like to focus on. People who maybe were out of work on disability for a while and now they gotta go back and they’re dealing with issues for that.

Michelle Walters: I’ve also dealt successfully with a number of people with strange [00:03:00] phobias. Uh, you know, people who are afraid of bumblebees or people who are afraid of height. That kind of thing. And recently I’ve had several clients for kind of ticks and weird little behavior problems that there are subconscious like hair pulling, that kind of thing.

Becky Beach: Interesting.

Michelle Walters: Um, so it’s just kind of amazing how much hypnotherapy can help with things. Hypnotherapy also can help with pain and, you know, it’s a, it’s a way of training your brain to. Emphasize certain thoughts as opposed to other thoughts. And so many people get kind of caught up into, um, imposter syndrome or, um, I’m not good enough, or constant procrastination, uh, that learning how to take control of your thoughts can be mind or, you know, mind changing and life changing.

Becky Beach: It’s so true. ’cause [00:04:00] there’s a saying, you are where your attention is. Exactly. So if you’re constantly, you know, thinking, oh, woe is me, I’m too poor, I can’t do this. And that’s what well, you’re gonna be, you know, so you gotta get outta that mindset like that. That’s right. You gotta

Michelle Walters: get outta that mindset.

Michelle Walters: And you know, we all live such stressful lives right now. Mm-hmm. And there’s a lot of uncertainty out there right now. And you know, all things there. There’s ai, there’s. Political stuff. There’s all kinds of stuff going on. People have to find ways to, you know, kind of clear the noise and choose what to put your attention on, uh, so that you can live a good life and be productive and accomplish the things you want to.

Becky Beach: Yeah, very true. So how, how could hypnotherapy help a business owner

Michelle Walters: when you, you know, when you’re a business owner, you have like 3000 things on the burner all the time. And. Hypnotherapy is really a matter of sort of dialing down certain parts of your brain [00:05:00] and when you can dial down those parts of your brain, you can help to, to essentially dial up your motivation and focus in certain areas.

Michelle Walters: So it’s. It’s kind of like meditation with a goal is sometimes how people talk about it. If you are a small business owner or any kind of business owner and you have that list of 3000 things mm-hmm. Having a a time to kind of go inside, listen to those inner voices, emphasize the positive, and discover what are really the most important things to put your time on and prioritize those.

Michelle Walters: Is super helpful ’cause then the list will go from 3000 down to five or 10 and you can figure out sort of where to, to put your time and energy into the things that are gonna work for you and matter.

Becky Beach: Oh yeah. It makes so, so much sense. ’cause there there’s a lot of people that are just juggling multiple things or wearing many hats.

Becky Beach: And a lot of them just, you just can’t [00:06:00] delegate tasks because like, they’re just, they have all the control. They just can’t let go of their business. So they have to like remain in control. And that was me for a long time. Like, I just felt like I couldn’t, like nobody could do what I could do. I was entrapped in that mindset.

Becky Beach: But that’s not true. Like, anybody could learn any tasks, doesn’t matter who they are, they just need trainings. You could train your va like I, I hired. Two full-time VAs and plus some contractors, and it’s been so freeing.

Michelle Walters: Yeah, and, and I think this is really something that, that almost all small business people go through is the, you know, when you perceive yourself as the best person to do the job.

Michelle Walters: But you don’t have time. You can’t do all the jobs. There isn’t enough time in the day to do those 3000 things. You have to figure out which are the things that you can train and pass off to someone else. And, and a lot of times you pass ’em off to someone else and then you realize, wow, they’re actually really good at this, and maybe I don’t even like it that much.

Becky Beach: Yeah.

Michelle Walters: And [00:07:00] uh, it’s, it’s, I think, part of the process of developing oneself as a, as a small business person or entrepreneur.

Becky Beach: Very true. Well, let’s go kind of get back to, to hypnotherapy. Um, I actually did self hypnosis. Is that kind of related to hypnotherapy?

Michelle Walters: It is. It is. It’s a component of hypnotherapy and it’s one of the first things they teach you when you go to school to become a clinical hypnotherapist like me.

Michelle Walters: Because a large part of what makes hypnotherapy work is repetition. And the self-hypnosis part of repeating those messages over and over and over again is part of what makes it work. So self-hypnosis, learning to take yourself into that quiet inner space. Learning to discover how to get your own brainwaves to the right level is what you’re really doing.

Michelle Walters: And then putting in the messaging, the affirmations, the [00:08:00] ideas, the visualizations, all of those thoughts. Are more powerful when you’re putting them into the subconscious at that wavelength level, that brainwave level. And so that’s a large part of what I do with my clients. A lot of hypnotherapist do with their clients.

Michelle Walters: There’s a certain amount of, um. I don’t wanna call it magic, but a fabulousness that happens when I can work one-on-one with a client and we have an interactive session. Mm-hmm. But for a lot of the work that I need to do with my clients, or I like to call it play, um, they will do that by listening to recordings and practicing going into that brainwave state and then having those.

Michelle Walters: Repeated messages over and over again through self hypnosis.

Becky Beach: Oh, very cool. Yeah. ’cause I, I have done self hypnosis myself. Like IUI use this app called the Self-Hypnosis app. I don’t know [00:09:00] if it’s still available, but I was using that and I was doing it for weight loss. Like there was a generic one to do. I was trying to do it to, uh, manifest money to be even, to be more funny.

Becky Beach: There’s a lot of different. Tapes you could get in there and it’s just, it’s crazy.

Michelle Walters: No, there’s so much content out there. So, so, so much content out there. I saw what was out there though. And this is one of the reasons why we’re talking and discovered what I think is a gap in the market, and that is that while there’s a ton of prerecorded messages out there, there’s not a whole lot of.

Michelle Walters: Applications right now. We’re recording this in August, 2025. Uh, for people to get custom hypnosis made just for them. And that’s why I have developed my new app, which is launching this week. My app is a web app, so it won’t be on your phone. It might be on your phone later, but right now it’s just a web app.

Michelle Walters: It’s called Make my [00:10:00] hypno.com. Oh, and you go to make my hypno.com and you can put in. The specific things that you, Becky, or any of your friends and listeners might wanna put in to be put and incorporated into their own hypnosis recording. So opposed to you getting, you know, one that’s just in general for anybody who’s trying to eat more healthy or exercise more, or.

Michelle Walters: Be more confident. This will actually make a specific recording just for you that has your name in it. That is based upon the way I do metaphors and affirmations and that kind of a thing. It allows you to pick out where you want it to be. So you might have had a prerecorded one that’s on a beach, but what if you don’t like beaches?

Michelle Walters: Right? Right. You can pick in my app that you want it to be on a moonlit beach, or you want it to be on a tall, windy mountain, whatever floats your boat. And then you can also [00:11:00] add into the recording, um, through a special. Um, input that I collect from people. If you have a particular thing that you wanted to say, if you wanted to say, I am worthy.

Michelle Walters: If you wanted to say, I’m the best programmer east of the Mississippi, you could, you could put in those kinds of directions and they are flowed into the creation of your own. Uh, audio script. So you put in this information and then about five minutes later, the script is emailed to you and you can download it, and I’ve set it up that way so that it, it actually gets mailed to you because I want people to be able to save it to their phone or their computer and listen to it repeatedly, because that’s, that’s kind of the magic of self-hypnosis, is that you wanna listen to this recording.

Michelle Walters: Ideally, probably once a day for a few weeks, and as you listen to that recording and you practice getting into [00:12:00] that quiet space, which the recording will take you into that space, these new ideas are going. Are gonna settle into your mindset and be part of, of how you proceed forward. So I’m very excited.

Michelle Walters: I think of this as being, I don’t know, it’s a little, it’s a little poke at a little disruptor for the apps that have all the prerecorded stuff, but it will enable people to do something that’s just custom for them.

Becky Beach: I do think it is more powerful if it is custom. ’cause from my experience using the, the recorded ones, I would just lay down on my bed and just listen to it.

Becky Beach: And then I would, or I would sit in a comfy chair and listen to it. You have to be, you can’t have anybody disrupt you, so you can, you just listen to it over and over. But I think that would be more powerful if it was personalized like that. So you said it’s Make My Hypnosis, what was it called again? It’s

Michelle Walters: called

Becky Beach: make

Michelle Walters: my hypno.com.

Michelle Walters: Spelled Make my H-M-A-K-E. [00:13:00] M-Y-H-Y-P-N o.com. Make my hypno.com.

Becky Beach: Yeah, I’m gonna get one definitely because I, I wanna be more confident at events. ’cause I got two events coming up next month and I, I was very, I wasn’t confident at all. I went to a podcast movement and I, I struggled to talk to people. I don’t know what was going on with me.

Becky Beach: I was, I don’t know, I don’t know. My, my mindset was just trashed. I, I just didn’t feel. Like, I could talk to anybody. I don’t know what, what was going on.

Michelle Walters: I don’t know, Becky, because I think you are a, an achiever.

Becky Beach: Oh, thank you. You

Michelle Walters: are an achiever and very successful at what you do. And I, I’m sure my app can help, but, um, I mean, we all need little confidence boosters from time to time.

Michelle Walters: So maybe just had an off week.

Becky Beach: Yeah. I think that that’s what it was. ’cause I, I just felt really overwhelmed and stressed. And I just couldn’t perform and network really. I, I guess a lot of people feel that way sometimes. Because I’m really injured.

Michelle Walters: A lot of people feel that way [00:14:00] sometimes, and a lot of people feel that way a lot of the time.

Michelle Walters: Uh, but I think, I think it’s probably true for both you and for me and for a lot of other people that as you find ways to kind of take off that shyness, take off some of that cloak of Oh, hide me. Um, the more you can come out in things and find your people and make new friends and. Find new opportunities, right?

Michelle Walters: They don’t find you if you’re cowering in the corner.

Becky Beach: Yeah, so true. Yeah. Going back to that one you I talk about, about worthiness, I think a lot of people struggle with that. ’cause I grew up with a mother that would tell me I was worthless all the time and I’ve had a boss that would tell me I was worthless.

Becky Beach: So tho those awful tracks in your mind can really like, ruin your performance and you end up thinking back to those thoughts like the bad tape. So I like how the self-hypnosis, it erases that tape and gives you a, a brand new one that says you are worthy, you can do this.

Michelle Walters: Absolutely because everybody is worthy [00:15:00] and you know, those of us who got messages that were not worthy or not good enough, or not something enough.

Michelle Walters: Where does that get you? Gets you nowhere?

Becky Beach: Yeah. Yeah.

Michelle Walters: Me not being able to kind of look at yourself and say, oh, I’m better at math than I am at English. I mean, sure, of course. But we’re all worthy. Everybody is, and I think that’s part of what I’m hoping make my hypno can do is help people elevate their sense of self so that people can get past trauma and bad bosses.

Michelle Walters: ’cause you know, they’re out there.

Becky Beach: Latch is too short to just dwell in your head and tell yourself negative things. ’cause like, you’re, you’re, you’re like, you should be your own cheerleader. If you’re going around telling yourself all these negative things, then you’re, you’re not gonna get anywhere. ’cause you’re, you should be your number one cheerleader because there’s people out there in the world that will tear you down.

Becky Beach: But as long as you pick yourself back up and keep going, then you could achieve like [00:16:00] really great things.

Michelle Walters: Absolutely. Absolutely. It is essential that everybody can be their own, as you said, at the number one cheerleader because you can’t count on anybody else.

Becky Beach: Yes, because, yeah, I, I was actually. I was just thinking just now that like I was starting my online business and everybody was against me, like my husband was, my sister was, a lot of friends were, uh, family members where they said, oh, you’re just wasting your time doing this.

Becky Beach: And they just kept telling me all this negativity. But I, I, I used the self-hypnosis back then and it really helped me say, oh, like I put like this, uh, I did the chant in my head that Mom beach, my blog is gonna be successful. So, so I kept saying, mom beach is gonna be very successful. And I was kind of future, future pacing and then like, I, I started, you know, working on it more.

Becky Beach: ’cause I knew that it was gonna be successful. Like my subconscious mind thought that, so, and then eventually it did become successful. I was making 20,000 a month from it.

Michelle Walters: Yeah. Yeah. [00:17:00] And if you had let yourself fall into the rut of not thinking that it could be successful, guess what? It would never be successful.

Becky Beach: Yes.

Michelle Walters: You know, I mean, it’s, it’s foundational that, that you have to believe in things and you have to put in the energy. And sometimes, and this is part of what hypnosis does and what you were doing is you, you sort of tease the future response. Right. You know, athletes, a lot of Olympic athletes use hypnotherapy and hypnosis because it helps them to visualize that they are the fastest skier down the hill and they’re gonna take home the gold medal.

Becky Beach: Yeah. But that’s true.

Michelle Walters: Yeah. If you can’t see it happening, it probably won’t happen.

Becky Beach: Yeah. Yeah. So, so true. And a lot of people out there are thinking hypnosis that mean that I’m gonna be sitting in a chair and this guy’s gonna take like a watch and like, put it in front of my face and go up to like, look at the watch.

Becky Beach: No, I, that’s not how it is. Like, could you No. Tell us that exactly what the self hypnosis is and how does it work? [00:18:00]

Michelle Walters: Yeah. It what, you know, it’s funny about hypnosis is that people have been doing it for. Hundreds or thousands of years and we didn’t really know that much about it. And so for a long time it was kind of thrown into the same category as ghosts and um, other things we can’t explain.

Michelle Walters: But now we have this wonderful thing called an MRI machine. And so we can put people who are in that brainwave state, that hypnotic state into the MRI machine and see that at certain parts of the brain are basically dialing down in terms of their activity. And it’s kind of like you get outta your own way.

Michelle Walters: And when you get outta your own way, then you have space to imagine yourself succeeding at something. You have space to believe that you could drop an old thought that’s not serving you. You have space to be able to say, wait, yeah, I have a lot on my plate, but I’m smart and I can figure out what’s important and what I [00:19:00] need to do versus what I can hire someone else to take care of for me.

Michelle Walters: And that is essential I think. I think it’s an essential tool for all of us. That being said, I usually organize my work and, and the, the new app is the same into like projects, right? I’m gonna work on weight loss, I’m gonna work on confidence, I’m gonna work on something. And I encourage people to kind of try and focus on one thing for a few weeks because that will help you to elevate your thoughts.

Michelle Walters: I have people sometimes who say, oh, I’d like to see you, Michelle. Could you fix. Seven problems, Uhhuh. Yeah, I can, but we’re gonna solve one at a time because you, you wanna, you wanna make sure your subconscious knows what are you prioritizing right now?

Becky Beach: Yeah, I, I could think of like nine, nine problems like that song, you know, and, uh, like that I, that I currently have.

Becky Beach: Yeah. So like, I probably do I need [00:20:00] a, a one for each of them or would one suffice.

Michelle Walters: So my app is launching and as at, at launch, it works on one recording, but I’ll quickly evolve that so it’ll be able to, um, do multiple recordings for you. I am gonna say that for most people, like if you had one project, one recording a month would be great ’cause you could spend one month working on.

Michelle Walters: Procrastination and the next month working on sleep and the next month working on whatever a month is usually a really good amount of time to work on something because you’ll see some progress on that. The recordings are yours forever when you get them from Make my hypno.com. So if you moved on to sleep and then you moved on to confidence and then you had a bad night of sleep, you could always just go back and re-listen to your sleep recording.

Becky Beach: Yeah, I definitely need the procrastination ’cause I, I have two books that I started and I really wanna get them [00:21:00] out and published. Oh, awesome. Becky. Yeah, I keep putting it off over and over, like other stuff takes more priority. Like I really think I need a help, a self hypnosis for that. What are your books about?

Becky Beach: Well, one of ’em is using AI to do automatic, uh, I mean automations in your business and how, how I, my strategy for that. Because I, I bring in sales wise sleep with that AI power automations, like with e email automations, and also MiniChat. So the book’s gonna be about that, like illustrating it better. And then my other book is kinda, kinda like a, a memoir.

Becky Beach: ’cause I grew up with, I grew up a really horrible childhood and I had a lot of abuse going on in poverty. So, and then now, now today, I’m a successful business owner, so it’s gonna kind of go into how I became, I became successful and didn’t let any, any naysayers stop me or any. Negative self, self-talk, stop me.

Becky Beach: But it is kind of painful to, to write because there’s a, a lot of abuse and trauma in my childhood. So I, I I kind of stopped, you know, ’cause [00:22:00] of that.

Michelle Walters: It sounds like a story that deserves to be told.

Becky Beach: Oh yeah. I’m sure

Michelle Walters: you’ll find the right way and how, when, when it’s the right time to, to put that book out.

Michelle Walters: Both books sound great, Becky? Uh

Becky Beach: oh, thank you. Yeah, I’m just real excited about both of ’em and I, I just, I keep procrastinating so I’m gonna. Like when you get that self-hypnosis app out, I’m probably gonna get that first thing to overcome. Procrastination.

Michelle Walters: Very good, very good. I also will continue to work with people one-on-one, and depending upon the issue, sometimes self hypnosis will carry you across the line and sometimes it’s helpful to have an individual coach.

Becky Beach: So how much money will, will these, um, custom hypnosis be?

Michelle Walters: The single scripts are going to be 1999. Um, but I plan to have some discount codes available pretty soon, uh, for, for those. And then I will also start selling them as a package. And I haven’t determined pricing on that. [00:23:00] That should be available in, in about a month.

Becky Beach: Are you gonna be doing it yourself or use ai? I. Yeah,

Michelle Walters: they, so technically the composition is done through AI because that’s the only way I can make this happen in a few minutes, right? Um, it’s, it’s technically done through an AI agent as well as through some text to voice, uh, translations where it, it, it is cloning my voice or imitating my voice.

Becky Beach: That, that is so cool. Are, are you using 11 Labs to do it? I am. I am. That’s

Michelle Walters: awesome. And we’ll, we’ll see, um, I think 11 Labs has done an excellent job on the sound quality, but, um, I need some, I need some beta tester feedback to see if it’s the best solution because there are some other text to voice solutions that have other advantages.

Michelle Walters: So it’s, it’s exciting to be in this space and to have the opportunity to. [00:24:00] Um, play with a number of these tools in order to see sort of which, which comes up with the right mix of things. For, for this recording, I don’t know of other. Tools to copy. I don’t think I would’ve been able to do this project except that I had that 20 year experience working in digital marketing.

Michelle Walters: I mean, I made apps for other big companies in the past, and now there are these no-code, low-code tools. Um, I did hire a development team overseas to help with the. With quite a bit of the setting up of the, of the app and its components, um, I determined that that was not the highest and best use of my time to learn all of it.

Michelle Walters: Yeah. Um, but I do understand enough of it that when I had a problem I was like, oh. I mean, it’s amazing what you can do. Now, I had a problem with the app last week, and so I asked Chad, GPT could, this is the problem. Could it be this? [00:25:00] Oh, it could be this. Well, where would that be? In my app? Oh, it’d be over here.

Michelle Walters: Oh, well, how would I fix that? Oh, you put this little code and this URL and it’ll change this and it’ll fix that, and you could just test it out by doing this. Well, lo and behold, I could manage to figure out where that went and put it in there. And it seems to be working. I, it’s, that’s crazy’s shocking to me that, you know, I mean, I am not a programmer, I’m not a developer at all.

Michelle Walters: Like, I really worked as an account manager, project management, um, strategy, that kind of a thing that. With that background, um, and some help. I don’t wanna say I didn’t have any help. I have hired help. Uh, I’ve been able to, to put this thing together. It just shows me how rapidly the landscape of digital solutions is changing, and I know you’re right at the cutting edge of that, Becky, but it’s, it’s making more sense why there’s not [00:26:00] as many programming jobs.

Becky Beach: Yeah, that, that’s really true. But I like it that you hired a developer because these no-code apps have security risks. Recently, someone had, uh, had a security risk with this one app. It was like a dating app. And, and somebody got into their, their code and was able to get all these, these driver’s licenses and customer data because it Oh, wow.

Becky Beach: It wasn’t secure. ’cause these people that code these no code apps, that they’re, they’re a security risk to their content because like somebody, it is, it is not secure. These no code, um, app, you know, like, uh, like lovable. And then there’s, there’s this other one they call, call like, well, forget this other one, you know, starts with a b.

Becky Beach: Well tho those, um, no code apps, I mean that they have very, it’s really, they’re not secure. And like Josie, I mean I’m on this Facebook group called Vibe Coding his Life, and then there was this guy talking about how he’s making a healthcare app with lovable and everybody was like saying, that’s a bad idea because you know, hipaa, you have to have B HIPAA compliant for [00:27:00] healthcare like that.

Becky Beach: If someone can hack in there and get this patient data, you could get sued or even get prison time.

Michelle Walters: Absolutely, absolutely. My app is really simple and the data that I have on people is super limited. Yeah. Like your name kind of thing. Um, and that you want something for confidence, which in my mind, like everybody wants something for confidence.

Michelle Walters: Um, but it’s, it’s, uh, it is absolutely something to think about. And in my development plan, uh, I will be. Having a, a more thorough security check and upgrade in the next couple of months.

Becky Beach: Yeah. That’s very, very smart. Oh yeah. The other one was called Bubble. Mm-hmm. And yeah, then lovable. But Bubble is harder to use.

Becky Beach: ’cause I, I try to, my app is actually

Michelle Walters: made through Bubble. My, my app is actually made through Bubble.

Becky Beach: Yeah. Oh, bubble. Oh, okay. Yeah. That, that one is more intuitive. You can, there’s a lot more features to it. Lobel, you know, is for more simple apps. [00:28:00]

Michelle Walters: Bubble had the, the sort of three components that I wanted all stitched together in one app Bubble has a, um, you know, a, a front end, a GUI where the CSS and all that kind of lives so that you can put in the logic for what everything’s supposed to look like.

Michelle Walters: And then it has a layer of. I, I think of it as kind of the on page functionality, so keeping track of user sessions and logic for forms. You know, if you click this, you skip those questions or that kind of a thing. Mm-hmm. Um, and then it also has an ability to run backend workflows, which is how it reaches out to 11 labs and a couple of other tools to, to create the content for my app.

Becky Beach: That’s great. So it uses like a, API calls, ’cause I was a developer for like 20 years. So I’ve actually hand coded apps so know about the security issues with, with the no code apps. So if anyone [00:29:00] out there is coding a no code app, you should be like Michelle and actually hire a developer or two to actually look at it and make sure that it’s totally secure.

Becky Beach: ’cause that way, um, you won’t run into any legal trouble later. Yeah.

Michelle Walters: Because nobody wants legal trouble.

Becky Beach: No. No. Okay. Michelle, could you let us know where we could find you and so that listeners? Yeah, so

Michelle Walters: you can find my Self-Hypnosis app@makemyhypno.com. And you can find me, uh, where I talk more about sort of my one-to-one work, my books, my speaking, my other services@michellewalters.net.

Michelle Walters: Uh, M-I-C-H-E-L-L-E-W-A-L-T-E-R s.net.

Becky Beach: Oh, awesome. Well, well, thanks so much for being here. Michelle, do you have any last words for our listeners?

Michelle Walters: No, but I wanna say thank you, Becky. I’m just thrilled to get to be with you today and to talk about a subject self-hypnosis that we’re both so passionate about.

Becky Beach: Oh, yes, definitely. Yeah, [00:30:00] make sure you check out the show notes to learn more about michelle at BeckyBeachShow.com. Well, thanks so much again, Michelle. Have a great day. Goodbye everyone. Bye.